To what extent would you agree..
I think that plot should be more valued than style in the work. To me the plot of the story or play is important because it is what the whole concept of the idea revolves around. Without a plot I doubt the story would be well written and had any meaning to it. Style does come into play to give the story or play it's own individual feel to it. Like in Wild Duck the whole plot of past events effecting future decisions seems to be key throughout the play which gave the play a meaning and with style element it helped the play evolve and become more elaborate. With just style it seems to only give the play a concept but no real idea behind it all. In Blood Wedding it seems plot does have a key role throughout the play. The whole play revolves around a plot which sets the story and gives it something to revolve around. It doesn't just set an idea and just use style to make it up. I don't know to me it seems that plot does have a big role in plays or stories. Style does come in to play to help evolve and make the play more elaborate but plot does seem to be the key in it all.
Thursday, May 26, 2011
Tuesday, May 24, 2011
Journal 4 TWD: Responses
Kevin Li:
I have to say this is deep. To me, you seem to be giving insight on the daughter being blind and how happiness and the good of the situation should be achieved rather then seeing the burden that she maybe in the end if she does go blind... The daughter will be protected no matter what the consequences maybe. Her life is important to them so what needs to be done will be done.
Tania Predovic:
I agree that so far there seems to be just a 3rd person narrative going on through out the play. Do you think that if the audience didn't know specifically each scandal that was going on in the book, but we some what had a vague concept of them, do you think that it would change our perspective on each character? Ibsen seems to give a lot of foreshadowing throughout the play. You think that possibly this foreshadowing helps clarify and solidify each character?
Ben Webster:
I like your ideas and concepts here you got Ben. It has made me start thinking now about other concepts we have gone over in the book and maybe that they each have a deeper meaning to them then what meets the eye. It makes me want to dig deeper and discover what other context could what I have read possibly mean.
I have to say this is deep. To me, you seem to be giving insight on the daughter being blind and how happiness and the good of the situation should be achieved rather then seeing the burden that she maybe in the end if she does go blind... The daughter will be protected no matter what the consequences maybe. Her life is important to them so what needs to be done will be done.
Tania Predovic:
I agree that so far there seems to be just a 3rd person narrative going on through out the play. Do you think that if the audience didn't know specifically each scandal that was going on in the book, but we some what had a vague concept of them, do you think that it would change our perspective on each character? Ibsen seems to give a lot of foreshadowing throughout the play. You think that possibly this foreshadowing helps clarify and solidify each character?
Ben Webster:
I like your ideas and concepts here you got Ben. It has made me start thinking now about other concepts we have gone over in the book and maybe that they each have a deeper meaning to them then what meets the eye. It makes me want to dig deeper and discover what other context could what I have read possibly mean.
Monday, May 23, 2011
Journal 3 TWD
Themes and ideas
So for in the wild duck there are a few reoccurring themes/motifs and ideas that are repeated. The first one being lies. It seems that throughout the play so far, lies tend to be kept from one another to either protect a person or use that lie to use against someone. Lies to me tend to be seen as something that are bad something you would use to make someone happy because you don't want to see them sad or just to keep something really hurtful away from them. Also with the theme of lies there are secrets which could be related to that also. There is the reoccurring motif of a wild duck. This could probably show how Hedvig is isolated off from the world just like the wild duck because her parents want to protect her because of her eyesight. Isolating her allows them to manipulate and condition her the way the want to but the main reason they keep her so coped up is to protect her in general. Also there is water. Water could represent and relate to like a sailor out at sea. Like the family they are like a sailor at dock. They seem to be isolated which could be a good or bad thing depending on the situation. Anyway by being isolated it allows them to solve all their problems right then and their without causing other reprocutions from anything. So as a sailor moves out to see I see that as the family having to let go of their lies and secrets and finally come clean of what they done. Finally when the sailor is out and sailing across the ocean it shows how the family is free and careless of what has happened in the past but now they are looking into the future.
So for in the wild duck there are a few reoccurring themes/motifs and ideas that are repeated. The first one being lies. It seems that throughout the play so far, lies tend to be kept from one another to either protect a person or use that lie to use against someone. Lies to me tend to be seen as something that are bad something you would use to make someone happy because you don't want to see them sad or just to keep something really hurtful away from them. Also with the theme of lies there are secrets which could be related to that also. There is the reoccurring motif of a wild duck. This could probably show how Hedvig is isolated off from the world just like the wild duck because her parents want to protect her because of her eyesight. Isolating her allows them to manipulate and condition her the way the want to but the main reason they keep her so coped up is to protect her in general. Also there is water. Water could represent and relate to like a sailor out at sea. Like the family they are like a sailor at dock. They seem to be isolated which could be a good or bad thing depending on the situation. Anyway by being isolated it allows them to solve all their problems right then and their without causing other reprocutions from anything. So as a sailor moves out to see I see that as the family having to let go of their lies and secrets and finally come clean of what they done. Finally when the sailor is out and sailing across the ocean it shows how the family is free and careless of what has happened in the past but now they are looking into the future.
Sunday, May 22, 2011
Journal 2 TWD
Personal convictions
The Wild Duck seems to touch on secret and lies that are kept from family members. Not exactly sure if the question is asking this but I think that play seems portray kind like today in society how people lie and keep secrets either to hurt someone or just to keep for themselves cause they know that that secret could ruin them. Not really sure if this is correct at all but In the Wild Duck secrets seem to be kept cause the father doesn't want to let the son know what he is doing. Like when his friend gets married or paying for his photography school its all a secret. In society secrets seem to be used to bring someone down or ruin them permanently. Like with embarrassing videos and pictures ect. Secrets come out to ruin, blah. But the thing is I guess the play is trying to portray how secrets seem to have a snowball effect on what is going to happen next in the play. It seems that from one small thing kept from another person may cause a huge scandal that may tear apart everyone and just make everyone split or not trust anyone anymore. It may even just ruin someone. So from this prompt not exactly knowing if I answered the question correctly The Wild Duck seems to show how secrets and lies maybe the downfall of someone if the trust is not outspoken first and revealed to everyone
The Wild Duck seems to touch on secret and lies that are kept from family members. Not exactly sure if the question is asking this but I think that play seems portray kind like today in society how people lie and keep secrets either to hurt someone or just to keep for themselves cause they know that that secret could ruin them. Not really sure if this is correct at all but In the Wild Duck secrets seem to be kept cause the father doesn't want to let the son know what he is doing. Like when his friend gets married or paying for his photography school its all a secret. In society secrets seem to be used to bring someone down or ruin them permanently. Like with embarrassing videos and pictures ect. Secrets come out to ruin, blah. But the thing is I guess the play is trying to portray how secrets seem to have a snowball effect on what is going to happen next in the play. It seems that from one small thing kept from another person may cause a huge scandal that may tear apart everyone and just make everyone split or not trust anyone anymore. It may even just ruin someone. So from this prompt not exactly knowing if I answered the question correctly The Wild Duck seems to show how secrets and lies maybe the downfall of someone if the trust is not outspoken first and revealed to everyone
Saturday, May 21, 2011
Journal 1 TWD
"Visual action"
I agree that visual action is important on the stage and in speech. On the stage visual action allows the audience to see physically what is happening throughout the story. In speech the visual action allows the reader to imagine what may be going on during that time in the play or what is happening.
In Oedipus there is a lack of stage direction which lets the reader imagine on what, where and when specific events maybe happening through out the play. Descriptive visual occurs though, for example when Oedipus pokes his eyes out, one is able to visually see what even is occurring and able to cringe from the action that is read.
In The Wild Dick there is a lot of stage direction going on that allows the reader to specifically know every little detail of when, what, and where the event may be occurring. These stage directions help visually allow the audience know where everything seems to be taking place and not have to exactly use their imagination to know what is going on. In the text there isn't so much of visual speech but the constant stage direction seems to make up for the fact that you don't need visual speech in speech to know what is going on I don't know.
I agree that visual action is important on the stage and in speech. On the stage visual action allows the audience to see physically what is happening throughout the story. In speech the visual action allows the reader to imagine what may be going on during that time in the play or what is happening.
In Oedipus there is a lack of stage direction which lets the reader imagine on what, where and when specific events maybe happening through out the play. Descriptive visual occurs though, for example when Oedipus pokes his eyes out, one is able to visually see what even is occurring and able to cringe from the action that is read.
In The Wild Dick there is a lot of stage direction going on that allows the reader to specifically know every little detail of when, what, and where the event may be occurring. These stage directions help visually allow the audience know where everything seems to be taking place and not have to exactly use their imagination to know what is going on. In the text there isn't so much of visual speech but the constant stage direction seems to make up for the fact that you don't need visual speech in speech to know what is going on I don't know.
Wednesday, May 18, 2011
Journal 3 Oedipus
Diary Entry
Dear Diary,
At the moment I can not see what I am writing so what ever appears on this piece of paper I hope it does make sense to whoever finds this and reads it. It has a been a day or so now, I'm not exactly sure since both night and day have blended together into one now, that I have been blind and been relying on nothing but my other 5 senses and the help of servants around me. This week has just been a grand week you know? I find out that my prophecy has come true. I killed my dad, slept with my mom, and had my sister. It's pretty great you know? I mean, who would have guessed that this I mean all of this would come true? I tried so hard and to believe that this and the prophecy would never come true. It seems that it all just slipped right under my nose. I don't see how I was able to miss all of this and be blind to the reality of what was in front of me. Earlier today I asked Creon to banish me from the kingdom I can't stand being here and remember all the things I have done. I wish that I could kill myself but I just can't seem to bring myself to do such a thing. Banishment seems to be the better option and a way to cope with what I have done to myself. Oh how I wish that I may just forget all of this. As leave and head out of the kingdom I begged to see my daughters for the last time. I will miss them so dearly, they were honestly the jewels to my heart. I will never forget them not until Zeus finally takes my soul. So before I part from the city I decided to write this to make some of the emotions flee away but I fear that I have just written jibberish on a piece of paper that will not make sense to those that have sight. I am off now to leave and be gone with this city. Farewell and may whatever the prophecy holds for me in the future let it be known that nothing is worse than what has happened to me thus far.
With love,
Oedipus
Dear Diary,
At the moment I can not see what I am writing so what ever appears on this piece of paper I hope it does make sense to whoever finds this and reads it. It has a been a day or so now, I'm not exactly sure since both night and day have blended together into one now, that I have been blind and been relying on nothing but my other 5 senses and the help of servants around me. This week has just been a grand week you know? I find out that my prophecy has come true. I killed my dad, slept with my mom, and had my sister. It's pretty great you know? I mean, who would have guessed that this I mean all of this would come true? I tried so hard and to believe that this and the prophecy would never come true. It seems that it all just slipped right under my nose. I don't see how I was able to miss all of this and be blind to the reality of what was in front of me. Earlier today I asked Creon to banish me from the kingdom I can't stand being here and remember all the things I have done. I wish that I could kill myself but I just can't seem to bring myself to do such a thing. Banishment seems to be the better option and a way to cope with what I have done to myself. Oh how I wish that I may just forget all of this. As leave and head out of the kingdom I begged to see my daughters for the last time. I will miss them so dearly, they were honestly the jewels to my heart. I will never forget them not until Zeus finally takes my soul. So before I part from the city I decided to write this to make some of the emotions flee away but I fear that I have just written jibberish on a piece of paper that will not make sense to those that have sight. I am off now to leave and be gone with this city. Farewell and may whatever the prophecy holds for me in the future let it be known that nothing is worse than what has happened to me thus far.
With love,
Oedipus
Tuesday, May 17, 2011
Journal 2 Oedipus
Readers are attracted to moments of intensity in a writer's work.
In Oedipus The King there are a number of moments of intensity throughout the play. The part that caught my eye was when Oedipus believed that he should not see anymore and jabs his eyes out.
"He rips off her brooches, the long gold pins holding her robes---and lifting them high, looking straight up into the points, he digs them down the sockets of his eyes, crying..."
So from this entire passage. Oedipus has finally found about the whole prophecy and how he has been doomed from the beginning. Having incest and killing his father really takes a toll on him. It effects him so much that he stabs his eyes out cause he feels that his eyes have been tainted from what he has seen and experienced that he should no more, see what goes on around him. By making this scene so emotional it shows how tragic the actual situation is. It gives the emphasis on how Oedipus may in the beginning known what was going on but never actually thought twice about it. When the event and prophecies actually come true and pass right under his nose, he is ashamed in what he has done and gorges out his eyes. From there on emotions seem to be feeling sympathy for Oedipus but at the same time you may feel he deserves it cause he acted arrogant because he was able to solve the riddle of the sphinx which made him feel like a god. Anyway from this passage the other has conveyed emotionally how the blinding of Oedipus is key and a climax to the whole play.
Questions:
1) Why did Sophocles reveal the truth way before the end?
2) Does the interpretation of the author of knowing how much Jocasta knows about the prophecy effect or mean anything significant.
In Oedipus The King there are a number of moments of intensity throughout the play. The part that caught my eye was when Oedipus believed that he should not see anymore and jabs his eyes out.
"He rips off her brooches, the long gold pins holding her robes---and lifting them high, looking straight up into the points, he digs them down the sockets of his eyes, crying..."
So from this entire passage. Oedipus has finally found about the whole prophecy and how he has been doomed from the beginning. Having incest and killing his father really takes a toll on him. It effects him so much that he stabs his eyes out cause he feels that his eyes have been tainted from what he has seen and experienced that he should no more, see what goes on around him. By making this scene so emotional it shows how tragic the actual situation is. It gives the emphasis on how Oedipus may in the beginning known what was going on but never actually thought twice about it. When the event and prophecies actually come true and pass right under his nose, he is ashamed in what he has done and gorges out his eyes. From there on emotions seem to be feeling sympathy for Oedipus but at the same time you may feel he deserves it cause he acted arrogant because he was able to solve the riddle of the sphinx which made him feel like a god. Anyway from this passage the other has conveyed emotionally how the blinding of Oedipus is key and a climax to the whole play.
Questions:
1) Why did Sophocles reveal the truth way before the end?
2) Does the interpretation of the author of knowing how much Jocasta knows about the prophecy effect or mean anything significant.
Monday, May 16, 2011
Journal 1 Oedipus
Point of View/Characters
In Oedipus The King Sopheocles seems to use 3rd person narration throughout the first part of the play. By using this 3rd person perspective it shows how the characters are speaking indirectly to the audience but not to each other. Using 3rd person speaker there doesn't seem to be a narrative voice to it in the background. It's just blunt straightforward text between the people who are talking to one another. In the first part of the play the characters get to know a little bit about each character who show up. Each are presented in a different way. One may be introduced through dialect of a character who describe them or they just up and one must assume who the character is and the main role they play throughout the play. Through the tone that each character presents I think that is how the author tries to convey them to us on whether we should like or not like them. Depending on our first impression of them, if we decide to like or hate them that is completely our opinion due to the context of the book. What the author writes and how we may interpret it, one person may like, for example, Oedipus as being King and others may say why is Oedipus King? I don't even like him the way the author is trying to convey him.
In Oedipus The King Sopheocles seems to use 3rd person narration throughout the first part of the play. By using this 3rd person perspective it shows how the characters are speaking indirectly to the audience but not to each other. Using 3rd person speaker there doesn't seem to be a narrative voice to it in the background. It's just blunt straightforward text between the people who are talking to one another. In the first part of the play the characters get to know a little bit about each character who show up. Each are presented in a different way. One may be introduced through dialect of a character who describe them or they just up and one must assume who the character is and the main role they play throughout the play. Through the tone that each character presents I think that is how the author tries to convey them to us on whether we should like or not like them. Depending on our first impression of them, if we decide to like or hate them that is completely our opinion due to the context of the book. What the author writes and how we may interpret it, one person may like, for example, Oedipus as being King and others may say why is Oedipus King? I don't even like him the way the author is trying to convey him.
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